Today I have an update for you from a previous millionaire interview.
I’m letting three years pass from the initial interviews to the updates, so if you’ve been interviewed, I’ll be in touch. 😉
This update was submitted in June.
As usual, my questions are in bold italics and their responses follow…
OVERVIEW
How old are you?
I am now 50 years old. Predictably, AARP invites are showing up like every week now.
Been married for 22+ years. A gentleman does not reveal the age of a lady! (As one of the interviewees said.)
Note: when the original interview was published, it was literally a few days before my 47th birthday.
Do you have kids?
Yes, we are blessed with 3 awesome kids. Oldest is 18, the middle one is 14 and the youngest is 7 years old.
For and with our older daughter, this school year has been busy with college visits, college applications and then dealing with the FAFSA fiasco. The delays have impacted decisions, housing – everything.
Thankfully, it is all done now! We think we have figured out the best option for her and she will start college this fall.
My middle daughter got into the same magnet high school for technology and science in our area that our older daughter is graduating from, and is thriving.
Our youngest is finishing up 1st grade.
It’s incredible to see all three kids growing up, learning and figuring things out. They are more aware and certain than I was at their age. Clearly, my wife did a good job raising them!
What area of the country do you live in (and urban or rural)?
We (still) live in Northern Virginia, essentially an exurb of Washington DC along the Dulles Toll Road.
What was your original Millionaire Interview on ESI Money?
We were Millionaire 236 published on April 19, 2021.
Is there anything else we should know about you?
We had rescued a 4-week-old kitten that we found in the bushes of our community about 3 years back. This year, in January we rescued a 1 year old pup who is a mix of German Shepherd and Husky.
The doggo was given up to our local shelter back in November of 2023, then was adopted right around Thanksgiving. The family that adopted him then returned him to the shelter in January and that is when we adopted him.
He is such a baby and has anxiety issues and hates it when he is left alone. For a while, he was “my doggo” and now he is totally my wife’s doggo – follows her around everywhere, sleeps on her lap and is visibly distraught if she steps out even to go grocery shopping!
NET WORTH
What is your current net worth and how is that different than your original interview?
Our current net worth (as of May 26, 2024) is roughly $7.6 million.
When we did the original interview our net worth was around $3.4 million.
Here are the specifics and the changes/comparisons.
Seeing it this way, I am also surprised! We never really compared our net worth by these buckets/categories before.
The non-retirement accounts hold some cash around $50k, and there is around $150k in cash in the IRAs. More on that a little later.
Liabilities:
Not included is educational savings accounts for the three kids which is an additional roughly $400k in total. Expecting that education for the kids will have a significant impact on our savings and net worth.
Cars are owned outright.
What happened along the way to make these changes?
A couple of things we did…
Thanks to my wife, who pushed that we refinance our mortgages when rates were low. We did and locked them in for 30 years.
Mortgage for primary residence is <3%. Mortgage for rental townhouse is <3.5%
This is essentially free money that lenders gave to us back in the day when interest rates and the rate of inflation were low. Right now, the institutions that are collecting the interest from us, they are not even making enough to cover the rate of inflation!!
Plus, paying as little as possible towards the mortgages allows us to invest and grow our wealth. This is where I disagree with those folks who believe in paying down their mortgages as fast as possible.
We took some cash out from our rental mortgage to pay for improvements and renovations to the rental townhouse. Other than that, I have been investing aggressively.
My concerns on commercial real estate, the failure of a few regional banks – we sold off all our investments in REITs and stocks in companies that develop commercial real estate. This is why we have some cash in our taxable and tax-advantaged investing accounts.
We invested in growth stocks.
As readers of ESI know and read – it is vitally important to avoid making mistakes that hurt our net worths, so we have been extra cautious but I still made mistakes – and I want to be clear that it was all my doing.
I sold covered calls and put options in our investing accounts to try and generate income during the time when the markets were down. Well, that turned bad real fast!
Some shares got called away and then we were saddled with the capital gains and the taxes that come with that! We lucked out on the put options that a margin call was not issued – we were able to cover the losses from the gains of the call options.
Invested in a friend’s startup – against my own best judgment and the advice of my wife. As the adage goes – when one gives a friend money, one is apt to lose both the friend and the money. I am still counting myself lucky that my wife has not kicked me out! 😉
What are you currently doing to maintain/grow your net worth?
Literally nothing – other than staying invested in our accounts, and putting money away each month into the 401k plan and 529 plans.
Well, one more thing I guess – I keep up with geopolitics, regulatory, financial, and economic news, and read continuously about investing, etc. so that I am learning and keeping up with macro and micro economic risks.
EARN
What is your job?
I am now Director for a delivery team at a large multinational company. I was VP of Technology and for a short time, CTO for a niche product company.
My role now is to figure out the best way to deliver cloud native solutions to our customers. My current role allows for a mix of hands-on tech work and then of course, I have to meet with clients, senior company people planning technology solutions.
What is your annual income?
Not much change really. My base salary is $ 225k.
There is a bonus component as well which is driven by individual performance as well as company performance. The company performance is less than stellar so I don’t expect much in terms of bonus.
Not included here is any income from dividends, interest income or from my trading activities.
Not included also is income from our townhouse which is rented out. That income is a complete wash when accounting for mortgage, taxes, insurance, maintenance costs and management fees.
How has this changed since your last interview?
It’s a marginal increase since the last interview, growing simply due to experience gained and the specific nature of the work. I have come to a point now where I realize that 50/60/80 hr work weeks don’t get me anything – the companies don’t care when it comes to handing out raises.
I needed to focus on my daughter’s college apps and college visits etc. this past year anyway.
Have you added, grown, or lost any additional sources of income besides your career?
No change.
I have dialed down my trading activities given some of the losses, plus in the years that I did make money trading – the tax bite was hefty and I prioritized spending time on family related things.
SAVE
What is your annual spending and how has it changed since your interview?
Annual spending is trending now about $100k per year. Our spending in 2021 was on the low side due to the pandemic lockdowns, so I am reluctant to use that as the basis for comparisons.
Clearly now there is more travel than before, pricey kids’ activities have resumed, charitable giving went up and last but not the least, the cost of auto insurance, homeowner’s insurance and property taxes have just gone through the roof.
There is some impact to spending due to the increase in the cost of food and energy but that is not the biggest driver of the increase in spending.
From 2020/21 timeframe (original interview) to now, housing costs due to taxes and insurance are up by at least $15k. Cue the political commentary…..
Clearly, we are fortunate in many ways, we are employed and there is income, the interest rate on our mortgages is fixed and below the rate of inflation and we have an emergency fund. We are not renting and/or trying to buy a home in this market.
At the same time, this is unsustainable in our opinion. I expect insurance costs to continue to rise given the pace and scale of natural disasters in the country.
Yet, along with health care costs, guess what the media and the political parties talk about when it comes to inflation.
What happened along the way to make these changes?
Starting this year, I will be eligible for catch-up contributions for my 401k and I intend to use that limit. We also continue to invest in the kids’ 529 plans.
Recent changes to the laws around 529 plans make them so much more useful and portable.
Nothing bad on the “save” side of things, we are saving less than before now simply due to the increase in spending. We are not worried since our retirement seems secure, unless of course we end up in another dot-com crash or another 2008 type meltdown.
As the kids leave the nest and become independent, some spending will naturally fall.
INVEST
What are your current investments and how have they changed over the years?
As I stated in my last interview, we were moving towards investing in growth stocks in the sectors we understand. We did that.
We still have some savings invested in ETFs that mirror the S&P 500 Index and the Total Stock Market Index, but we are definitely skewed toward growth stocks now.
What happened along the way to make these changes?
Good – our net worth grew along with the size of our investable/liquid assets.
Bad – made some mistakes as detailed above and figured out what others have said before – that day trading and “easy money” is not so easy after all. Also, NEVER give money to friends, unless you want to lose both.
MISCELLANEOUS
What other financial challenges or opportunities have you faced since your last interview?
None more than normal I would guess, and nothing more than other mentors in the forum.
Trying to figure out the growth stocks to invest in, and as a result of moving to individual stocks, I keep up with geopolitics, regulatory, financial and economic news, and read continuously about investing etc. so that I am learning and keeping up with macro and micro economic risks.
Overall, what’s better and what’s worse since your last interview?
Good – our net worth grew along with the size of our investable/liquid assets.
YTD – our assets grew 27.3% (cumulative).
TTM – our assets grew 44.4%.
Income has seen some growth as well, although not as much as I would like or as much as I could have. Now that our oldest daughter’s college stuff is settled, I will start to look around for the next move.
Several decisions are just easier once the financial cushion exists. I was in a car crash about 2 yrs back which totaled our 2003 Toyota Highlander.
We had owned it for almost 20 years and then we had to buy another vehicle – we were able to negotiate a relatively better deal from a dealer given that we were going to pay all cash.
What is worse is clearly the unsustainable growth in the cost of insurance and property taxes. Property taxes are up since home values are up, therefore assessments for tax purposes have also risen substantially.
The 2017 tax cuts limited SALT deduction to $10k which also hurts. Quite simply, the home we live in now, we could not afford to buy solely on the basis of our income.
What are your plans for the future?
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Travel some more.
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Provide some good experiences and memories to the kids as they are starting to leave the nest.
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Provide as much support as we can towards their education.
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Give to charitable causes we care about.
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Leave some legacy behind, only if needed and in the form of helping the kids in home buying, or starting a business.
Given that you have a bit more wisdom and experience, what advice do you have these days for ESI Money readers?
Keep it simple.
Invest in yourself and your mental, emotional, and physical health. When investing in assets, always do your due diligence.
Practice stealth wealth. No one needs to know about your assets and your wealth.
My wife frequently threatens to disown me since I prefer to go everywhere in “comfortable”/rumpled t-shirts, baseball cap, and jeans/shorts. Neckties are collecting dust. Suits bought many years ago are moth-balled and likely won’t fit me anyway.
Our cars are reliable, non-fancy transportation.
NEVER give money to friends and family if you expect that money to be returned that is. Personally – our extended family is also unaware of the details of our financial situation – as I learned – if it’s hard to say no to a friend who asks for money, it is almost impossible to deny a family member, so it’s best to not invite the conversation at all.
The one annoyance right now is the financial advisors with our brokerage accounts who keep setting up one-on-one/check-in meetings – my accounts are now part of their “private wealth management” service line or something. When that happened and why I have no clue.
Make sure you and your partner are in sync and do talk to your kids about money.
Use a password manager/vault solution, and ensure you have MFA enabled on all your online accounts. Yes, it can be annoying, but better that than the alternative.
Vote, get engaged, and be a part of the solution.
Cory says
Can you share a bit more about your recent investment philosophy and performance? Your net worth growth over 3 years is outstanding!
MI236 says
Thank you!
As I stated – I/we invested in growth stocks. If times were simpler, and we were not concerned about law suits, I would get more specific but I will have to leave at that since I am no financial advisor and I am not YOUR financial advisor.
Good luck!
Richard says
I am really curious how you got those returns in 3 years. Sounds like you took some risky investments. To double your net worth at that level with your income is definitely an outlier. Did you invest in GameStop?
MI236 says
I did not invest in GameStop.
I did not invest in any meme stock.
I did not invest in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency.
I also went back and re-checked the data, so its all correct, if anything I try to be conservative.
To be fully transparent, in 2022, I was down 35% from the highs reached in 2021. So yes, the risk was there.
MI236 says
I also want to point out, that the “investment gains” are as yet unrealized. Its not money in the bank, so things can change.
Not sure if there is a correlation between net worth and level of income, after a certain point.
Maybe I should start to sell myself as some investing genius like Chamath or Ramsey, but I don’t feel like one. I took some risks and was fortunate that some, not all of them worked out.
JCR says
Please share more about the FAFSA fiasco. In particular, i am trying to understand how FAFSA can even help you. We are currently applying again for a fourth child (who unexpectedly started classes this quarter) and need to apply for fifth child . Even with two kids in college at same time we have had insignificant aid, less than 10 percent and for most years no aid. Thank you for the reminder as i didn’t realize the 2025 FAFSA application began this October.
MI236 says
As you may know, the DoE reworked the FAFSA application. The biggest change was to pull tax records from the IRS to answer the questions they normally asked you – nice idea right? You anyhow needed your tax returns to answer questions like your MAGI etc.
FAFSA normally opens in Oct. People put in their information the data is processed and cross checked and is with the colleges in March/April time frame. So they can then send out admission decisions etc.
The delays in implementation, with a soft roll out in Jan, which most people could not even access meant everything was delayed. So regardless of if you expected some sort of federal aid for college – the whole process just got delayed. Admission decisions, scholarships, housing decisions – nothing could be done “on time”.
My kid could not connect with graduating seniors for anything since she was not onboarded.
Now we can pay, but the kids who could not – we have a year in which many kids will not join college. So, the experience is diminished.
MI236 says
The new FAFSA makes it much simpler, just agree to letting the DoE pull data from the IRS.
The new scoring does not account for siblings in college at the same time, at least not yet.
Joseph Ruiz says
Amazing work! What kind of cars do you have now?
MI236 says
Thank you!
2017 Toyota Sienna – family van
2022 Hyundai Elantra – the running around/errands vehicle.
MI236 says
Buying cars new is the only indulgence I allow myself. I don’t want to deal with someone else’s lack of TLC.
But then we typically own them for many years. The Highlander served us well and honorably for 20 years.
MI 343 says
Thanks for updating us!
I especially like your comment, “Invest in yourself and your mental, emotional, and physical health. When investing in assets, always do your due diligence.”
Map says
Congrats on the reaching the coveted 26%+ CAGR! Was there any reason why you decided to allow your shares to be called away instead of rolling up and out?