Today I have an update for you from a previous millionaire interview.
I’m letting three years pass from the initial interviews to the updates, so if you’ve been interviewed, I’ll be in touch. 馃槈
This update was submitted in July.
As usual, my questions are in bold italics and their responses follow…
OVERVIEW
How old are you?
I am 30 years old.
I am not married and have never been married.
Do you have kids?
I do not have any kids.
What area of the country do you live in (and urban or rural)?
Urban area in Texas in a major city.
What was your original Millionaire Interview on ESI Money?
I am Millionaire Interview 186.
Is there anything else we should know about you?
I am planning on getting married in 2024 and need advice on anything and everything when it comes to financial planning and starting a family.
NET WORTH
What is your current net worth and how is that different than your original interview?
Original interview: $1.05M as of April 2020 (0% primary residence (zero), 20% single family rental (one), 40% stocks, 30% real estate syndications, 5% Municipal Bonds, 2.5% CDs, 2.5% Pension).
I was renting as of 4/2020 and had my one house at the time as a single family rental.
Current interview: $2.90M as of July 2023 (15% primary residence (one), 30% single family rentals (three), 35% stocks, 20% real estate syndications, 0% Municipal Bonds, 0% CDs, Unknown Pension).
I purchased 2 houses in 2020 and another one mid-2022. I ended up moving into one of them. All houses are currently mortgage free.
I stopped tracking my pension since I am still young but it is probably something I should check on. The pension is a negligible amount so really does not drive the needle.
What happened along the way to make these changes?
Between then and now, there have be a substantial amount of changes.
I purchased 3 houses (including the one I live in) and paid them off.
I also paid off my parent’s mortgage.
I have not changed my stock allocation and I am still Technology/Growth/S&P500 weighted. I have not really bought additional stocks outside of maxing out my 401k yearly.
Most of my earned income have gone into either real estate or real estate syndication.
As far as bad experiences, I almost lost my life to an illness and spent 6 months on IV treatment. I am back almost fully healthy but it was a humbling experience on how short life truly is.
The only benefit of the illness was that I was able to work from home. Other than that, it was something I did not see coming although I did learn how important a good health insurance plan is.
What are you currently doing to maintain/grow your net worth?
At the moment, I am fully managing the rentals (3 rentals in total) while investing any new income into real estate syndications and if the right opportunity arises, then I will consider buying another rental.
I am also monitoring the stock market for major dips only.
An important aspect I believe is having the right people in your life. I try to surround myself with family, good people, and like-minded individuals. I believe that is the most important thing to do when it comes to growing or maintaining ones net worth. I pay attention to who I am around and who I should not be around. The people around me have similar goals, qualities, values, and are generally good people.
Finally, I am thinking of starting a business and have had different ideas and ran multitude of calculations over the past few years but none have had me fully convinced to take the next step. I am, however, very open to starting a business.
I am curious what ESI readers think are the best businesses to start in today’s market?
EARN
What is your job?
Senior engineer, and side entrepreneur/investor.
What is your annual income?
Below would be the AGI over the last 3 years since the last update:
- 2022: $320k AGI
- 2021: $244k AGI
- 2020: $161k AGI
I project 2023 AGI to be higher than 2021 but we will have to see. My goal really is to increase income AND decrease tax liabilities through tax efficient vehicles such as maxing out my 401k yearly, contributing to my FSA, only considering selling stocks when it has reached it’s “long-term” capital gains designation (although I rarely sell stocks).
I am curious — what other vehicles do ESI readers use and which are the most efficient in their opinions?
How has this changed since your last interview?
As far as income goes, the things that have changed since then are:
- I bought 2 single family rentals and I have had tenants living there ever since I bought them. I have had no turnovers when it comes to those two houses I purchased in 2020. I also have been able to increase rents every time the lease was renewed. The rent increases were standard and nothing major.
- I got the standard salary pay bumps in my regular job (no promotion). Nothing major. I would love a promotion given the amount of time I spend working. I am currently focusing on ways to improve my odds for a promotion.
- I had a lot of stocks vest in 2022 which is why the AGI in 2022 is really high. It was the highest amount of stocks I have had vest in a calendar year.
- I got a promotion in my side job and now lead a team. This was unexpected and came with a pay bump.
- I had a couple of syndication payouts and some of them went full cycle so those were income driving events.
Have you added, grown, or lost any additional sources of income besides your career?
The major sources I believe I have added are all in real estate. The single family rentals have performed well so far. I have also poured a good amount of capital in real estate syndication and my hope is those pan out to be good investments in the next 1-6 years when they go full cycle.
Within real estate syndications, I have invested as an LP multi-family, student housing, self-storage, office, hotel, and health care facilities. I would say the investments that had a floating interest rate have been struggling this year because of the rate hikes and have currently under-performed although that could change when rates go back down and the asset is sold but the most important thing for those particular syndications is that they fully cover their debt service and not worry about quarter distributions this year.
The real estate syndication successes have been in self storage, medical office, and apartments with fixed rate debt.
Going forward, I am looking for creative ways to diversify into investment vehicles I am able to mentally understand and wrap my head around.
I am curious what are the favorite investment vehicles for ESI Readers and which ones should be avoided based on their experience?
SAVE
What is your annual spending and how has it changed since your interview?
Last 12 months spending (July 2022 – July 2023):
- Property Taxes: $21,187
- Mortgage: $15,033 (probably includes escrow payments)
- Utilities: $6,650
- Health Care: $5,205
- Home Repairs: $4,498
- Home Maintenance (includes HOA): $2,484
- Home Improvement / Home Decor / Clothing Upgrades: $2,020
- Travel / Groceries: $1,741
- Real Estate: $1,331
- Gas: $1,251
- Gym: $704 (2-Year Gym Membership)
- Automotive: $555
- Car Insurance: $400
- Restaurants: $329
- Annual Credit Card Dues: $95
Total: $63,483
Historically, I have always been a low cost, low maintenance person. I still am (well kinda, sorta), however purchasing and maintaining rental properties have seen my expenses creep up. Although the rental expenses are offset by the income from the rentals and they are all cash-flowing, I still like to think of them as my personal expense so that way I pay attention to them just like I do my personal expense since I own the rentals.
The way I approach decreasing my spending is by paying attention to the items that cost the most. Looking at that list, my biggest enemy is property taxes and I have disputed all my property taxes for all 4 houses over the past 2 years with varying success and failure. Property taxes is Texas is HIGH and it is actually deterring me to look into investing in properties in other states I grew up in or I am familiar with just because of the property taxes.
The next thing to focus on was mortgage and I have paid off all my mortgages to eliminate that. After that, utilities is up next and I have switched tenants on a rental and set the structure where the tenant is liable for all utilities. I have also switched my internet plan to a much faster and cheaper option (WIN-WIN).
As far as healthcare, I have gotten the best health care plan offered by my employer. A really good health care plan saves a boat-load of money for those who have medical expenses that are large in particular year.
Home repairs and home maintenance are a little out of my control. Although, I’ve fixed a few things myself. I am limited in fixing everything myself and need the help of contractors sometimes.
One expense I have not been able to decrease and it seems to be always increasing are HOA fees. I am curious how ESI readers have lowered HOA fees? Is there a strategy or something that can be presented to the HOA board to get them to lower the cost or keep it flat?
Home Improvement / Home Decor / Clothing Upgrades were a one time purchase because I bought a house last year and had to decorate it. I occasionally make small purchases on household supplies every now and then but those are negligible in the grand scheme of things.
Gasoline purchases is one thing that I have see creep up due to running a business and I am interested in creative ways to lower my gas purchase expense.
What happened along the way to make these changes?
My health care expenses have definitely increased compared to the last interview. I rarely went to hospitals and was very active. Once I got seriously sick, I had to increase my health care spending. Thank God for a good health insurance. If I did not have health insurance, I would have spent over $300,000 on health care bills.
Fortunately, I do not have to pay out of pocket once I hit my max out-of-pocket on my insurance so I ended up spending < $7,000 over the past 2 years due to my health insurance. This obviously does not factor in family visiting trips and other miscellaneous random expenses. The major change I made over the past couple of years was getting the best of the best health care plan I am eligible for. I am curious if the readers know of any excellent health care plans to look into?
Other than that, the other expenses that changed would be related to property taxes, insurance, mortgage interest but I have been dedicated the past year to eliminate all mortgages. I have protested all my houses and was successful to some degree, however, it is still much higher than when I bought the homes due to the market being higher. I am curious what strategy ESI readers have used in the past or currently to substantially decrease property taxes?
INVEST
What are your current investments and how have they changed over the years?
Currently my allocation is simpler than previous years.
In the past I had a couple of CDs and municipal bonds, however, now I do not have any CDs or bonds.
Currently, I have about 65% real estate and 35% stocks. Of that 65% allocated to real estate, about 45% are allocated towards single family homes while the rest of the 20% are attributed to real estate syndications. I have had a couple of syndications go full cycle and have seen some new construction development projects move into the stabilization phase. Regarding syndications, I am curious what sectors in real estate have ESI readers had the most success with the highest time-weighted returns and the steps to actually purchase a piece of real estate as a sole owner or a general partner (GP)?
I have focused on real estate predominantly due to the tax benefits. I am always looking for a business idea that can have a massive impact on minimizing taxes and is tax efficient and I am interested in what ESI readers think of as ideas.
I have not really purchased stocks outside of 401k in the past 2 years but I am always on the lookout for any massive dips. I realized chasing minor troughs was not an efficient way of spending my time and is a source of unnecessary anxiety although I would love to hear of any automated algorithms that can do that if any of the ESI readers can share?
MISCELLANEOUS
What other financial challenges or opportunities have you faced since your last interview?
Since the last interview, by far the biggest challenge was a sudden major illness which I fought with for at least 12 months made me bed bound for three months but with the health and support of my family, I was able to overcome it. The financial challenge there was health expenses were not fully budgeted for.
The opportunity that arose from that challenge was to switch from an HSA to a FSA. I already had funds in my HSA to cover my medical expenses but switching to the FSA made it possible to upgrade my health insurance and lower my deductible and out-of-pocket expense.
Generally, for an individual who is very healthy, an HSA is a great option since you do not “lose” it at the end of the year and it grows if invested in the right ETF. Unused monies from a FSA goes back to the employer. I already spent all my FSA money before the 4th month in the calendar year due to my health condition.
Overall, what’s better and what’s worse since your last interview?
There were three major events that shaped my net worth since the last interview.
First, right after the interview in 2020, we had COVID. I am sure everyone can re-call that. With COVID came the shutdown and unprecedented interest rate drop. Most folks were moved to WFH arrangements.
In March of 2020, during my weekends, I started driving around looking for real estate opportunities. I traveled from city to city all over Texas. I went under contract on a house in April but backed out due to inspection issues and the roof needing to be replaced. Then I went under contract on another house in June and closed on that. Then later in September 2020, I went closed on another house. Those 2 purchases that year were at an extremely low interest rate, fast forward to today, they are paid off and have increased in equity by $200k+ total.
I also purchased multiple Tech stocks on the dip including leveraged ETF (TQQQ) 2020 in all was a good investment year looking back.
The second event would be RSUs. I was awarded a lot of RSUs (in shares) at a low stock price between 2020-2022 and they have appreciated immensely. The RSUs single-handedly funded the down-payment of the home I currently live in. The home I live in was purchased in 2022 and was fully paid off 7 months after. Awarded shares from a company can be a very powerful thing and should be something to be mindful of when comparing job opportunities.
The third event was falling sick. It did increase my healthcare expenses but it also brought my family closer and it showed me that one thing I could count on is my family. They were there every step of the way all through recovery. I went ahead and paid off my parent’s mortgage because of how grateful I was for them being there at all times. I owe them my life.
What are your plans for the future?
My plans for the future are to not get sucked into a “spending” lifestyle, get married and start a family, and build a couple of businesses.
Given that you have a bit more wisdom and experience, what advice do you have these days for ESI Money readers?
My advice to ESI readers would be keep doing what you’re doing. This platform is a great one to share stories and experiences as I have enjoyed reading every single story on the site.
Also, cherish the moments with the people who matter and are always there for you and don’t get sucked into the artificial world as we know it.
QUESTION
Lastly, there is one piece that I wanted to touch on and ask for advice from ESI Readers as I have benefitted tremendously from reading ESI Money.
I plan on getting married next year (2024) and I have a lot of questions regarding a prenuptial agreement and family financial planning. This would be my first (and hopefully only) marriage. I do not have any children but plan to within the next 3 years with 2-3 kiddos being the ideal number for me.
My question would be:
What would ESI readers consider to put as separate and joint property given my profile in a prenuptial agreement? Pre-marital assets and pre-marital liabilities? How about future acquired assets from income produced from pre-marital assets? What other things should be considered as I move into this next phase of life? Health insurance for kids/child bearing? 529 plan, when is the ideal time to start? Other mechanisms?
Thanks all for reading and God bless!
Bernd Doss says
With regards to your question about a prenuptial agreement, i would suggest you get sound advice from a qualified legal expert, one who has knowledge about all State requirements.
MI says
I appreciate the response. Yes I do have a lawyer and have had consultation sessions in the past as well as discussed with my partner. We are all on the same page and have a plan but we鈥檒l be putting pen on paper soon!
Ricardo says
I would suggest that you join MMM on this site. Many of your questions you proposed can be found there. Good luck you are doing great!
MI says
Thanks for the recommendation! And yes I am a member and have been for a while. And I appreciate your positive and encouraging words. Thanks for all you do providing good feedback as well!
G says
Congratulations on your success and upcoming marriage. I strongly agree with your statement, “An important aspect I believe is having the right people in your life.” Good family, friends, co-workers, business partners, etc. are important and enrich our lives.
I’m sure you’ll do fine with the financial aspects starting and building your family; i.e., housing, budgeting, 529s (yes ), retirement, etc. For many entrepreneurs and high performing business people, the hard part is putting aside sufficient quality time to listen, play, engage, and just be present with the family. For many people, people are harder to understand. I hope you and your future partner find yourselves better together.
Regarding a pre-nup, get a good lawyer and watch the SoftWhiteUnderbelly interview with a divorce lawyer. Expect and build for success, but plan for challenges. Good luck.
MI says
Excellent comment, G. Very much appreciated. I have a couple questions for you which I鈥檒l ask over the next few days regarding financial planning and entrepreneurship. I did watch the YouTube interview you recommended and there were a lot of truths to it and creates an avenue to objectively think about divorces and marriages. It鈥檚 always great to be fully aware and practical which I appreciated the video bringing that to the limelight about both sides of the coin.
John says
You are doing great given your age. My concern is about your thought of getting married. Why get married? Especially when you can do all you could without that piece of paper? And when the statistics show divorce rates being high? It takes just one bad marriage to ruin all you have built. Prenups can be interpreted differently by attorneys and not sure there’s any trust left in that marriage with all the terms and conditions.
MI says
This is a great question that requires dissecting it on both sides. There is no right answer but it鈥檚 important to marry right based on goals, visions, core values, background, personality as opposed to looks and external factors. There are always pros and cons to decisions. I鈥檝e made a lot of risky financial decisions in life, some went sideways and some were the best things that ever happened to me and catapulted me to where I am today. The same can be applied to marriage. The odds aren鈥檛 great (actually better odds than becoming a millionaire given my socio-economic background and where I came from as an immigrant) but my goal or my partner鈥檚 is not to be average but exceptional in everything we do including being faithful, communicative, and empathetic couples.
Retire@55 says
Glad to hear you are on the mend and getting healthy.
Kevin Costner appeared to have a great prenup if you are looking for something that is iron clad. The problem it seemed to have; it encouraged the signer to stay in the marriage for financial reasons. At your age you have built up a significant net worth, so you’re wanting to protect that is understandable, but you will be missing out on building a future with your partner. You should find a way to protect what you have going into the marriage, but not what you build during your marriage with your partner.
MI says
I appreciate the good feedback and accede that it鈥檚 equally important to not only protect pre-marital assets and the income generated from it but also build future post-marital assets with one鈥檚 partner. It helps not only financially but also creates a stronger bond as both parties go through the journey of life together building trust, accountability, empathy, and a safe space. The beauty of it all is the post-marital assets would be much larger than the pre-marital assets when it鈥檚 all said and done assuming the partners are right for each other with similar goals, work ethic, and vision.
R says
Maybe given your health situation it was covered in hospital bills but if I add your food spend up it’s like <$6/day.
Must be on rice & beans 馃檪
P says
Haha, I know him personally. He has full course meals three times a day! One thing I have learnt from him is always find a way to cover your cost including the food you eat.
Debbie says
I was wondering the same thing. How can anyone live on $145 month for groceries?
MI says
Obviously, most of the food is free so it鈥檚 not an expense. I eat high quality wagyu premium steaks 3-4 times a week typically would cost at least $50-100 per meal per person. If you think outside the box, you鈥檒l think of possibilities, not just on that alone but on other items and in life.
RJ says
Ok. You got me. Who is buying your 3x week wagyu meals?
MI says
It鈥檚 fully covered by the company I work for.
Southeast US says
I’m planning on using some retirement accounts that are over funded for college costs. I started two 529s then dumped them to avoid any restrictions in fund use in the future. It may not be a preferred method, but it seemed to be a good fit for me.
MI says
Very interesting, what restrictions did you feel like the 529 imposed?
MI-343 says
Thank you for updating your story!
You could expand your real estate business and/or start a consulting business in the engineering realm in which you have expertise. These are likely to be two lucrative avenues for you.
I certainly would ask the Lord his plans for me to make sure I’m on the right path.
MI says
That鈥檚 a great idea! And probably the best idea since I have a lot of experience and expertise in both industries. I鈥檓 always looking to make another purchase and I have a feeling I might go bigger and purchase a bed and breakfast or an actual apartment as the sole owner in the near future. I see that happening within the next 3-8 years once rates recede. I鈥檝e thought about that for a while and already discussed with close ones.
And thank you for reiterating how important it is to trust in HIM. Hopefully, the Lord will lead us towards the right path.
Cheers for the great comment. I appreciate it!
Financial Fives says
Wow, what is the process to get a job with RSUs, it seems like it has been lucrative for many people. And where do you find houses you can pay off in just a few years?
Good luck negotiating down HOAs, they typically only go up.
And already family planning with kids! Enjoy life you’re still young at 30, enjoy your success! I’m glad to hear your medical issues are behind you for now.
MI says
I recently declined a job offer because it didn鈥檛 have an RSU component. Obviously, RSUs come with some risk. One could easily lose all the value or one could double the value. Timing and luck is everything.
Those houses were found on this website called Zillow and with the help of a real estate agent. Paying off the home is more of a reflection of one鈥檚 personal financial managing skills.
And thanks! Yup, enjoying life is super important. I live on a party street in the city and I鈥檓 actually trying to decrease the amount of time I spend outside doing unhealthy stuff and focus on 100% healthy stuff to make sure the body, mind, and spirit and well fed!
D says
Glad your health is back in order and you are blessed with a caring family.
Best wishes to you and your bride to be!!!