Today we continue our coverage of the great retirement book What the Happiest Retirees Know: 10 Habits for a Healthy, Secure, and Joyful Life. It is packed full of solid information and statistics about the state of retirement today.
So far we’ve just covered an introduction to the book and if you missed that you may want to read it first before getting to this post.
Like with other books I’ve reviewed on ESI Money, I will share some key passages from this one and give my thoughts on their conclusions.
Let’s get started…
Unhappy Retirees
Today we’ll be discussing chapter 2 which covers the characteristics of unhappy retirees or UROBs as the author calls the (unhappiest retirees on the block).
As we get deeper into the book we’ll highlight the traits of happy retirees (HROBs — happiest retirees on the block) in depth, but before we do that, it’s helpful to see what the unhappy ones do. If we can avoid their habits and pick up ones from happy retirees, that’s a win-win.
The author begins this section with the following story:
In my role as a managing partner at Capital Investment Advisors, I’ve met a lot of unhappy folks. Some were entrepreneurs who worked 24/7 for 30 years and literally didn’t know how to stop. What’s the point of retirement if you have no interest in or curiosity about anything else? Golf, tennis, walking, hiking, biking — it’s all boring and unproductive to this type of UROB. He or she never “has the time,” even when staring at a blank social calendar.
Some of the UROBs I’ve met are “pretend rich” like Uncle Roman, and some are legitimately rich like J. Paul Getty. Most have allowed work to define them, rather than actually living their lives like HROBs do. Now, in retirement, they’re reaping the compound interest of 20, 30, 40 years of accumulated bad habits. That’s not the kind of interest anyone wants.
Yeah, if your career starts to become who you are (versus what you do), then who are you when you leave that career?
That’s the issue so many face — especially high-powered, successful individuals like lawyers, doctors, and business executives.
Not only these “high level” career-focused folks, most others can fall into the same traps as well.
But it’s not just the issue of not being able to let go of your career (which has become your identity). The author goes on to list seven traits of unhappy retirees in Jeff Foxworthy style…
You Might Be An Unhappy Retiree If…
1. You Might Be a UROB If You Drive a BMW
LOL. I love this one (though it seems strange to me for reasons I’ll state later).
Let’s first share what the author has found and some of his thoughts on this issue:
My research showed that the number one luxury brand for unhappy retirees was BMW.
But why do UROBs drive BMWs? I’ve had a lot of time to ponder this. I’ll tell you what I think: there’s something about the performance-oriented, fine-cutting, hard-driving, expensive-to-repair flashiness of a BMW that leads to unhappiness in retirement.
I don’t know any other way to describe it. To this day, when I look at a BMW, it just screams: I’m trying to prove something! To whom? To my friends? To my spouse? To myself? Maybe all of the above. To me, it connotes a level of insecurity in the driver, suggesting there’s a gap he or she is trying to fill. Rather than finding an organic, self-reflective, and healthy way to do it, the person is deflecting these feelings of inadequacy onto “The Ultimate Driving Machine.”
Hahaha. So funny. But probably true as well.
I remember leaving the office of the financial planner we met with a couple years back.
We left the same time he did and as we were pulling out I noticed he got into a nice, brand new BMW. Yep, he was trying to prove something/project an image.
My wife and I just laughed at it. It was the big hat no cattle factor playing out from The Millionaire Next Door. He wanted to look rich and successful, but odds are he was not that way.
So I get that part.
FYI, I think there are other professions that use their cars to project how wealthy they are (like real estate agents). When I see an expensive car I simply laugh inside, knowing that odds are the person is paying a fortune for it when they probably should be saving more.
But what I don’t understand is this:
The happiest retirees don’t need the flashiest luxury brand, but they still want to enjoy the ride. Think Lexus. Think Acura, Buick, or Toyota. Leave the BMW on the lot.
So the “issue” isn’t that BMWs are expensive cars because the ones HROBs prefer are pricey too (at least Lexus and Acura, personally I don’t see Buick or Toyota as status brands). This is the part I don’t get.
Also, I wonder where Teslas fall into this group. Certainly it’s a luxury brand — just want to know if it falls into the “look at me” category (I think it does personally).
2. You Might Be a UROB If You’re Too Keyed up About Investments
The summary:
There is a big difference between being actively involved in your investment portfolio and taking on a second career as a stock trader.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s a good idea to spend time with your finances, and you certainly want to have at least a base level of financial literacy. But once you get too far into the weeds, it’s a red flag. Tormenting yourself over fast-moving facts and figures almost always leads to poor investment returns over time, not to mention the ongoing emotional toll and burden. Being glued to every drop or rise in the Dow Jones Industrial Average while you’re in retirement? That’s not making you more money. It’s a formula for anxiety because investing is a bumpy, unpredictable game in the short term. Compulsion won’t guarantee you returns, but it will guarantee that you drive yourself crazy. Obsession is not your friend.
I wasn’t keyed up about my investments on the way to retirement and I’m certainly not going to get keyed up in retirement.
It is a bit disconcerting initially when you retire as it’s a new feeling and many may wonder if they have enough.
But in my experience, that feeling goes away quickly (in the first week for me). So just set your investments, resolve to not touch them the first week or so, and all should sort itself out.
And find other things to do that obsess over your investments. Studies will show that being an active trader/investor is one of the main ways to lower your overall return. So set it and forget it (for the most part).
3. You Might Be a UROB If You Live Far Away from More Than 50 Percent of Your Children
The summary:
What do I mean by far away? Anything you can’t reasonably drive to. A two-hour drive is fine. Three roadside hotels and 5 tanks of gas? Not so much.
Of the nearly 2,000 retirees I surveyed, the retirees who lived near at least half their children were five times more likely to be happy than those who did not.
The happiest retirees say it’s impossible to put a price tag on life experiences, especially memories made with children and grandchildren. Often, proximity to children isn’t just about the parent-child relationship, but about being able to be good grandparents. An overwhelming amount of research is devoted to parent-child dynamics, yet, as other research shows, close grandparent-grandchild relationships are themselves a marker of strong family ties and come with their own distinctive benefits to well-being.
My take on this:
- Our kids both live in our city — 15 minutes or so from us. We see our daughter and son-in-law at least once a week if not several times and see our son once a month or so. It’s pretty nice. We also do big vacations together.
- “FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY.” That’s a big difference, something you should consider strongly before you ignore it.
- We don’t have grandchildren yet, so my comments in that arena are TBD.
4. You Might Be a UROB If Your Adult Children Still Live at Home
Their thoughts:
Living near your adult children is a good thing. Living with your adult children is not.
While you can’t control whether your kids ultimately get hitched, statistics indicate an important point: Unmarried adult kids who live at home are significantly more likely to be dependent on mom and dad. The financial and emotional burden of this is just too hard for many retirees. This period of life requires tremendous adjustment: careers, relationships, financial planning — all of these are in flux. Parents may struggle with how to appropriately care for or relate to a child who has become an adult but still resides in their home. They may also find themselves resenting the unexpected extension of parental responsibility in a season that was supposed to be “about them.”
When our son told us he was quitting his non-profit experience early, we tried to dissuade him, but he was adamant about leaving.
So we told him it was his life and up to him, but that he was not coming back home to live. He was 25 and it was time to get out on his own.
Which is exactly what he did.
Sometimes the bird flies out of the nest like a rocket (like our daughter did). Sometimes you have to push them out of the nest. 😉
5. You Might Be a UROB If Your Kids Are on Your Payroll
The summary:
I’ve written in the past about the importance of moving adult kids toward independence. While every child-retiree relationship is complex, every circumstance different, and every financial situation unique, the data shows that taking kids off the payroll — or at least giving them a pay cut — also boosts happiness in retirement.
Unhappy families average $714 a month in support of their twenty, thirty, and forty something-year-old “kids.” Happy retirees spend less than $500 a month on their adult children. If your children are not financially independent, you are 1.5 times more likely to be an unhappy retiree. Think about it. If a happy retiree is living on $5,000 or $6,000 per month, $700 is a lot, right? That means 10 to 20 percent of your budget is going to your kids instead of fueling the next chapter of your life.
My study found that over 40 percent of retirees are giving their adult children some level of financial support. This doesn’t include children with special needs or the occasional gift of a trip to Disneyland or Christmas cash. It means support from parents to subsidize everyday life. I’m talking about private schools for grandchildren, car leases, rent, mortgages, paying down debt, and more — because the kids can’t afford the lifestyle they keep.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person for helping your kids out. Heck, almost half of American retirees do it! The problem is that your generosity can have, at best, a negative impact, and at worst, a devastating effect on your own finances and happiness levels.
A CNN article from September 2020 showed that 52 percent of young adults in the United States are living with their parents. Blame whatever you want — the economy, Covid-19, TikTok — but you can’t argue with facts: 52 percent is the highest that percentage has been since the Great Depression. This is a double-edged sword. We want to have our family close, as we’ve learned from HROBs. But overspending on our adult kids for BMW payments and private schools for grandchildren can weigh heavily, create resentment, and lead to higher levels of unhappiness.
I think we all know that Americans have some “unique” money habits.
And by “unique” I mean “terrible.”
This is just another set of data points that confirms this. Just look at how horrible these numbers are:
- “Unhappy families average $714 a month in support of their twenty, thirty, and forty something-year-old kids.” $714 a month??!!! Tack on a BMW payment and you can see why these people are unhappy in retirement. Hahahaha.
- “40 percent of retirees are giving their adult children some level of financial support.” If this grows much more, it will mean “most” Americans do this. When I left home, the only support I got was “you can visit now and then.” lol. That said, once I graduated with an MBA, I made more money than my parents did anyway.
- “52 percent of young adults in the United States are living with their parents.” PUSH them out of the nest!!!!!
We do not have kids at home and we do not support any of them on a regular basis…and we’re happy about it. 😉
6. You Might Be a UROB If You’ve Been Divorced Twice or More
Their thoughts:
HROBs get one marriage redo. More than that, and you’re more likely to be unhappy. Marital status is a critical variable of retirement happiness. If retirees are not married or have never been married, they are 4.5 times more likely to be unhappy. Happiness levels rise when you’ve been married one or two times. Beyond that, if you increase the number of times you have been married, you’re asking for trouble — and I don’t just mean from your ex.
There are lots of reasons someone might be unhappy if they’ve been divorced many times, but one that comes to mind is financial.
That’s because divorce is expensive.
Let’s take a large amount of money — enough for most people to retire on. Let’s say $3,000,000.
Now let’s look at how divorce decimates this large amount of money pretty quickly if it gets divided up in half again and again:
- After one divorce a person has $1,500,000.
- After two divorces a person has $750,000.
- After three divorces a person has $375,000.
There’s a big difference in $3 million and $375k! What about people who have been divorced more than that? (FYI, my biological father has been divorced five times, so I’ve seen this play out first hand.)
But worse than this is the compounding you lose. You never get the chance to get even close to $3 million as you split money and lose half of your compounding nest egg — so you’re at a HUGE disadvantage. You lose money and TIME — time where your investment could be growing.
7. You Might Be a UROB If You Had Two or Fewer Core Pursuits Before You Retired
The summary:
If the happiest retirees I know are the most curious retirees, it is likewise true that the unhappiest retirees I know are the most incurious. They say curiosity killed the cat, but I think in retirement, it’s the opposite. A lack of curiosity about new pursuits and passions can lead to an uninteresting, uninspiring, dull, and less purposeful life.
It’s difficult to develop and start focusing on core pursuits that didn’t exist before retirement. Just like saving money, you want to start nurturing your passions early. We all know there’s a compounding effect when it comes to saving money. It’s easier for us to accumulate higher levels of wealth if we start earlier. The same math applies to developing core pursuits.
It’s tough to start playing golf at age 60. It’s really tough to start playing tennis at age 70. It’s almost impossible to become social when you’re 80.
We’ve covered this before and will do more so in the review of this book, but just to repeat:
- You need 4 or more core pursuits, something to do with the life/time side of retirement. If you want some ideas to consider, see my huge list of retirement activities.
- You need to plan for all of this before you retire. Waiting until retirement to try and “figure it out” is not a plan and has derailed many a retirement.
Anyway, that’s the list.
As you might imagine, being a happy retiree is doing the opposite of these. To read about that, see the next post in this series: What the Happiest Retirees Know, Three Top Money Habits of Happy Retirees.
Makes sense, but I’m personally insulted that the author called a Buick a luxury ride but didn’t even mention INFINITI, which is my daily driver! A Buick, really?
I tend to agree with all of those except the proximity of kids. We are very happy retired people even though two out of three of our kids live far away. Its very likely that the three will all live at least ten hours away from each other when our son completes his residency so there will never be an opportunity to move near to more than one of the three. While I do see retired people who have kids nearby and they do have fun with their grandkids I also see the other side of that. Many of these grandparents can’t do anything spontaneously because they are de facto day care workers, unpaid at that, who keep the grandkids five days a week. And/or on weekends the kids dump the grandkids on them as unpaid babysitters and again they are tied down. We love to do off roading with friends we have met driving trails. But it is nearly impossible to get them away for even a two day adventure because they are obligated to taking care of grandkids. I love kids and hope at least one of our three figures out how babies are made, but I also think living a fair distance away may be a good thing because we’ll retain the time freedom we have now and will still be able to go see and spoil those (imaginary so far) grandkids. A couple of our friends have solved the distance problem by getting an apartment/condo near the grandkids and being both local and distant at the same time.
I love my BMW. Lol. I bought it because I wanted speed and as a reward for my hard work. However, in hindsight I’d now rather have the extra $20k I could have saved buying a Ford Explorer. It’s going to have to last me 20 years. It’s my first new car and likely my last. I’ll drive it into retirement.
I’m super cheap, but I’ve never regretted owning a BMW. I’ve always found the premium price justified. Not a speed thing, my average speed is 25 km/hr
I’m fine with using public transport, but I have never driven a Japanese or American car that I really appreciated. Probably i need to apologise for preferring an iPhone too.
Comedians in cars getting coffee:
Bill Burr: I love the Prius
Jerry Seinfeld: it crushes the human spirit, has no joy of life
Bill Burr: ahh d@mit I can’t argue with that
Based on your km/h comment, I’m guessing you are not in the US. A BMW in Europe, while a luxury is more like a Lexus in status.
In the Bay Area, Tesla is the status car. I was in Menlo Park/Palo Alto the other day and there were as many Teslas as everything else put together!
BMW is considered a nice car for people who don’t “get” Tesla. My wife and I both have BMWs and are happy with the cars, but also happy not to be seen as chasing status.
Enjoying and appreciating the finer things in life does not necessarily make one unhappy or unworthy. Cars, jewelry, artwork, etc. aren’t always owned as status or for “look at me” reasons.
I drive a Porsche 911 because it is truly precision in motion and, as an engineer, I enjoy and appreciate the pinnacle of engineering and design that this vehicle represents. It is a reward to myself for a life of hard work. It is not a “thing” to me… every drive is an experience unlike any other (and it fit within my carefully curated budget). What people may think about my owning one means absolutely nothing to me.
By the same token, I haven’t been able to develop a great deal of appreciation for artwork (not that I haven’t tried), but I doubt that people with, what they consider, valuable and beautiful pieces of art are all that unhappy (as long as they were reasonably affordable to them).
I really dislike, and obviously disagree, with this very judgmental aspect of the book and some of ESI’s comments surrounding it.
Right! If I can afford something (consistent with a prudent long term retirement plan, which I have), why should anyone care what I buy, what car I drive, etc? I am happier because I have 2 BMWs. I don’t want a Tesla, but so what if I did?
Overall, the one thing I don’t like about this site (there are many things I do like), is the judgmentalism about spending money, even if you can afford it.
Really? There is judgment about spending money? Care to give an example?
From the blog above
FYI, I think there are other professions that use their cars to project how wealthy they are (like real estate agents). When I see an expensive car I simply laugh inside, knowing that odds are the person is paying a fortune for it when they probably should be saving more.
Hahahaha. That’s not judgmental — that’s a fact.
Read almost any financial classic book (like The Millionaire Next Door) or any piece of research on the subject and you’ll see that most (over 51%) of people who own an expensive car are not wealthy.
On the contrary, the wealthy tend to drive (on average) cars like Toyotas, etc.
So I’m just going with the odds…
As for spending, I have said time and again that it’s your money and you can buy whatever you want (“your” meaning all readers in this case). That said, if you do choose to buy an expensive car, I’m going to think what I think (which is based on the numbers/stats).
Just above my first comment here “Clay” talks (brags?) about being “super cheap”.
More broadly, I see a distinction between the important and insightful discussion about the Save element in ESI as a means to achieve FI, and the value judgment in tsk tsking people who have high lifestyles, even if they can afford it.
I have seen many examples of multi millionaires who are proud of their old cars, and who are proud that they are frugal in various ways. I don’t judge them for how they choose to live — if living below your means in retirement makes you happy, be my guest. But there is a subtle ethic implied quite often (and sometimes explicitly) that living large is imprudent, unethical, wasteful or otherwise inappropriate.
It would be interesting to see a poll or discussion something like this: if someone is retired with $5 million and $100,000 in income (pension, side hustle), is it reasonable for them to spend $300,000/ year (4% of 5 mill +$100k)? I would bet many readers would say “no” on the grounds I listed above, even though the numbers say it is financially prudent.
First of all, what Clay says has nothing to do with me. If you want to call him out, you can, though what he does is his choice IMO. If you don’t direct a comment like “Overall, the one thing I don’t like about this site (there are many things I do like), is the judgmentalism about spending money, even if you can afford it” to someone specific, I assume it’s directed at me as I am “this site” in general.
Second, I’m not sure who you think is tsk tsking on a regular basis. Almost every Monday we have a millionaire who earns a ton (like $300k) and spends a ton (like around $100k). I don’t see a lot of condemnation of them.
Third, as for me, I’ve talked about moving more towards spending in retirement (https://esimoney.com/what-comes-after-esi-the-ise-phase-of-fire/) which is what this post is about (retirees).
Finally, a lot of the conversation on topics like you suggest is taking place in the MMM forums as that’s a system (a forum) that allows more for the back and forth discussion. A blog comments section does offer some of that, but can really only handle a few replies back and forth before it becomes hard to read, especially on a phone. It’s just the nature of the technology.
When I was an automobile claims adjuster – BMW owners were the worst! A smashed bumper was the end of the world. It’s just a car!
They had too much of their image/self-esteem wrapped up in their car. Many were striving to project an image and they extended themselves financially for their car. I had claims with people that had cars worth over 6 figures (and this was 20 years ago) and they weren’t that worried about it. But the BMW folks were a different story.
This doesn’t mean all BMW owners but it fits a certain profile. That said, I have friends that have or had BMWs and they loved them – they say there are great to drive. I’ve never driven one – so I can’t say, but these are people that I know and respect.
Agreed, all BMW owners do not fit a certain profile. This broad brushing on the part of the author of the book.
Conflating unhappiness to a certain car brand, as the author does in his book, is ridiculous. It’s no different than saying all the unhappy retirees have palm trees in their backyard. They may be unhappy and they may have palm trees but one doesn’t necessarily indicate the other.
The author even admits that he makes broad, character shaming assumptions about BMW drivers. He has no facts, he has no data… only his admitted guess shown below…
But why do UROBs drive BMWs? I’ve had a lot of time to ponder this. I’ll tell you what I think: there’s something about the performance-oriented, fine-cutting, hard-driving, expensive-to-repair flashiness of a BMW that leads to unhappiness in retirement.