I have already shared part 1 of my thoughts on the book How to Retire Happy, Wild, and Free: Retirement Wisdom That You Won’t Get from Your Financial Advisor.
Today we continue with my review.
As I’ve been doing with book reviews lately, I’ll be sharing portions of the book and adding my commentary.
Here we go…
Retire Sooner Rather than Later
I get asked frequently what my thoughts are on retiring sooner rather than later.
I’ll get to that in a minute, but for now, here’s what the book says:
Regardless of how much wealth you acquire, you never know if you are going to live long enough to enjoy it. Eventually retiring at seventy-five with $10 million in the bank won’t do you much good if you die a month later. So, when is the ideal time to retire?
There is no ideal time to retire but you don’t want to put it off longer than you have to.
Several thoughts to share here:
- I would NEVER counsel someone to prematurely retire. I prefer a solid retirement plan that includes strong financials with several margins of safety and at least a working plan of how the person will address the non-financial retirement issues talked about in this post and others. I am concerned that many early retirees (mostly younger ones) are cutting things a bit too close (at least financially) — too close for my comfort at least. Doing something like that would stress me out big time.
- That said, I would recommend that once a person meets those criteria that he retire as soon as possible. Retirement is so AWESOME (if you have the above areas covered) and IMO should be enjoyed for as long as possible. Nothing is guaranteed and life has a way of crushing people indiscriminately. Why put the best years of your life at risk by waiting once you’ve won the game?
- I say the above because waiting to retire was the biggest mistake I made in my FIRE journey. I really, really, really wish I had retired 5-10 years earlier than I did. And I could have since I was FI a decade before I retired.
- That said, if you truly love and enjoy your work, then stick with it if that’s what you prefer. It’s your life, so make the best choices for you. But I know that’s not the case for most people and that’s why I’m giving the suggestions above.
Ok, go ahead and call me the ambassador of retirement — I just think it’s the coolest thing and want as many people as possible to experience it for as long as they can.
Could Retirement Last Longer than Work?
Here’s a quote that made me think.
The book was talking about how people are living longer these days when it made this comment:
This means that if they retire at fifty-five, there is a good chance that retirees will have three or more decades of life ahead of them.
Which got me to thinking, can l live long enough to be retired more than I worked?
My career lasted 28 years.
I retired at 52, so to be retired for 28 years I’d have to live to be 80.
I’m now 56 and according to a web search my life expectancy is almost 25 years, putting me at 81 when I pass.
So it will be close, but I could end up living in retirement more than I worked. Wow! That’s such a strange concept.
The old definition of retirement had our grandparents working until 65 and then watching TV and playing golf or bowling until they died a couple years later.
That’s about 45 years of work for two years of retirement.
And I might be looking at 28 years of each. It blows my mind…
Thirty Years is Worth Planning For
Combining the first point in part 1 (that we should plan for retirement) and the last point (we could spend a few decades retired), here’s a great group of thoughts:
Given that you may have thirty or more years of retirement life ahead of you, to not plan for an active retirement is to set yourself up for a difficult one. Failing to plan financially may result in you spending most of your retirement days thinking about all the fulfilling activities you aren’t able to pursue due to a lack of funds. Failing to plan emotionally may result in your working hard for many years, amassing a lot of money, and then wasting away your “golden years” in boring leisure activities.
Evens and Gail found that missing friends from work, being bored, and having trouble adjusting to change adversely affected these retirees more than a lack of money or poor health. Ideally, workers should start planning their retirement interests and activities several years before they actually retire.
It’s wise to start thinking about the personal side of a long time before you actually retire, particularly if you are a workaholic with few interests outside of work. “The more your life revolves around work, the more of a shock retirement will be.”
Thirty years.
Three decades.
A long, long time.
Don’t you think it’s worth five hours per year to plan for both the financial and non-financial parts of retirement?
Ok, I’ll give it a rest now…at least for a bit. 😉
But on the subject of work, I know the exact sort of person they are talking about — the one who works, then works, then works some more. His outside interests are zero because all he does (and maybe likes to do) is work.
So when this sort of person gives up the one thing in his life that means something to him, is it any surprise that things go poorly?
I would suggest someone like this begin developing outside interests five to ten years out from retirement. That gives them enough time to 1) wean themself a bit from work and 2) find out what they really like to do that could last for a long time.
Of course, if you ENJOY work, then by all means keep at it. But at some point, most people will be forced to stop working even if they’d prefer to keep doing so (health reasons often are the cause). So even the toughest workaholic is going to have to plan for a non-work life at some point — might as well be now.
What Interests You?
We’re going to shift gears now a bit.
For the rest of this post and the entirety of part 3 the subject matter will be on one topic: the importance of interests/activities in retirement.
I’ve beaten this dead horse for some time now, so we all know how important it is to have enjoyable retirement activities.
But the book shared several thoughts that expanded on what we’ve already discussed. Plus it’s an important enough topic to keep covering for new readers and those still dragging their feet in denial. 😉
So here goes…
You Need Several Interests
Let’s begin with the fact that you need several interests/activities to have a happy retirement. Here’s what the book says:
Breadth of interests is important. Retirement will feel empty if your interests aren’t varied. Just one interest, such as golfing, will not be enough to fill your days.
You Can Retire Sooner Than You Think gives even more detail.
In How to Have a Happy Retirement I noted this finding from their study:
The happy folks have at least 3.5 core pursuits — the activities and interests they love to do.
That’s not really that many (I’d round up to 4 versus going with 3). If you don’t have 4 non-work interests you can pursue in retirement, I’m declaring you in need of some “activities” coaching. Ha!
Don’t worry, the book has tons of suggestions for you. We’ll get to those in a minute.
But we haven’t previously seen the phrase “breadth of interests” used.
What does the book mean by “breadth” — the number of activities or the type of activities?
In the past we’ve talked about the number of activities and some qualifiers, but it appears they want the activities to be varied in type as well.
How exactly does this work?
For instance, let’s assume your four activities are as follows: golf, pickleball, tennis, and cycling.
These give you a breadth in numbers, so that’s good. But they are all physical, sporting activities, so are they varied enough in type? They are different sports so maybe they are.
It’s hard to tell what the book means as it doesn’t elaborate.
Anyway, it’s probably a moot point since most people who have 4+ activities have ones that are different enough to be considered a “breadth” of activities.
But there are some clear qualifiers for interests, so let’s get into those now…
Purpose and Achievement
The book puts a definite requirement on at least one of the interests you should develop:
It’s also important that you choose at least one major activity that provides some purpose and a sense of achievement.
I’ve heard both “purpose” and “a sense of achievement” used several times in multiple retirement books.
I look at it as you want to do something meaningful — whatever that means to you.
Volunteering is a great way to do this and we’ll talk about that in a minute.
But there are many other ways to do something meaningful — care for a loved one, research and document your family history, paint beautiful pictures, or a wide range of activities.
For me, I have a couple pursuits that give meaning to my life (other than my family which isn’t an activity):
- I write and maintain this site. Over 1.7 million unique people have visited ESIMoney.com since I started writing (my previous site, started in April 2005 and which is no longer active, had over 10.9 million visitors and 24 million pageviews). I have to think that at least some of these readers have made decent financial progress in their lives based on what they’ve seen here. That gives me a lot of satisfaction, purpose, and a sense of achievement.
- I volunteer at church, serving as a greeter. Being a greeter is not changing the world, but it can make a difference to some people. It may be the only friendly smile and warm greeting they’ve had all day (or week or month). So it makes a small bit of difference and it’s great knowing I’m part of a larger team focused on serving others.
BTW, I am still looking for a more “high level” volunteer opportunity as well but have been doing that for some time, so we’ll see if I ever find it.
How to Find Your Four Activities
The book suggests the following for how to find and develop your retirement activities:
A valuable exercise is to make a list of the ten favorite interests and activities that you would like to pursue in retirement.
At the same time, write down how much time you are presently spending on these activities.
Leisure consultants and pre-retirement planners state that if you are not spending any time pursuing these activities before retirement, it is unlikely that you will spend much time on these activities after you quit work. Retirees must choose activities that are right for them.
Ok, now they are asking you to develop a list of ten activities while before we only needed four. That could be a challenge for some people.
In the end you really only need four good ones, but my guess is that they want you to consider more because it takes ten tries to find four you like.
But it’s not that hard, really. For instance, working out can be one activity and is something everyone should be doing anyway. You should also have at least one thing to challenge your mind as well, so that’s two.
Add in a few fun activities and you’re easily past five and headed to ten.
As an example, here are ten that I not only could pursue in retirement but I do pursue:
- Exercising (cardio and strength workouts)
- Walking (around the neighborhood)
- Pickleball (of course!)
- Hiking (trails/woods)
- Traveling
- Family activities (get togethers, regular calls, etc.)
- Blogging
- Reading
- Chess
- Sudoku
Still having trouble thinking of ten? Well the book has you covered.
Bach says
Among other Activities
freemasons Lodge
Golf
Food and/or Wine society
Spiritual group activities
JeffB MI20 says
Spiritual group activities…….like a Whiskey Club?? 🙂
Paulz says
I guess I now know why it’s called the golden handcuffs! I have more than enough in my 401k/IRA/Investments, but have to wait until 60 to lock in the pension and health care. It’s only 7 years away, but feel like its 30!
Andre says
Same here at age 55. Full pension at age 62; reduced by 5% for each year taken early. I think I’m going to take it at 60. Employer will cover 50% of health insurance.
m says
For me, even though I know I have enough financially, its hard to think that I should retire with kids in high school. Not only does their schedule (including jobs, activities, social, etc.) greatly limit my flexibility, but I also am not sure it would set a good example. I want them to realize that it is important to work, and that work is not always “fun”….and part of that is them seeing me get up every day.
ESI says
I retired during my daughter’s last year in high school.
I knew she’d be gone the next year and wanted all the time I could have with her (she was home schooled, so we got tons of time together). I wish I had retired when she was a freshman.
John Hartman says
I’d love to hear more about your thoughts on retiring before kids finish school. I have a job I love but it requires us to move every 2-3 years. I have my son’s last 5 years of school to work into my career plans. At a minimum he’ll have to do 2 more moves to new schools, maybe 3.*** I feel that it is important for him to see his father working; if I retire before he finishes school, what kind of message will that send him about work? We just finished a difficult 6th grade year with him due to his lack of work ethic. My son gets the S part of ESI but we’re still working on the E part.
On the other hand, if we retire now, we could settle down and my son would have stability in one school. We have the resources to retire early but I’d like to keep working a little longer to make sure we have more to pay for college for our two kids and purchase a house. I’m also worried that if my retirement doesn’t go well, my son will see his father struggling with a post-retirement identity crisis. Our family might find settling in one place for an extended period of time difficult because my wife and I have not lived in a single place more than 3 years since we graduated college.
(***My wife, son, and I aren’t cut out for home school.)
ESI says
A few thoughts:
1. Hasn’t he seen you work already…like for all his life? How much more do you think it will take for him to get it? One year? Several? His whole life? I’m not sure you can know this (or anyone can). Also, see what Apex said.
2. Stability for kids is worth a lot. So is having your parents around.
3. He’s got six more years at home and that’s it. The clock is ticking. Personally, I wish I had been around more in those years (and I was around a good amount.) But once they’re gone, they’re gone. And you can’t get that time back.
4. What about starting a side hustle? Or if you’ve got enough saved already but want some income, how about going part-time in your current job (or a similar one)?
Just food for thought. There’s not one “right” answer. What’s best for each person/family is different.
Apex says
Here is an alternative way to think about the example you are setting for your kids. I happen to think retiring early gives them a better example of how to work and why to work than working until you are 65 (except for the lean FIRE crowd who retire early with only enough to get by on a very lean standard of living. That is not an example I would be in favor of setting for my kids).
1. They have already seen you get up every day and do the “not always fun” part of work their entire lives.
2. Seeing you retire gives you the opportunity to talk with them about what made that possible. Namely working hard for 20+ years at your job and using those funds wisely so that you could purchase your freedom with the fruits of your labor.
In my opinion setting an example of working hard is not enough. Many people work hard so they can live fast. Not only is that not a virtue, in my opinion, it’s a vice. Let them learn more than just work, but how and why it provides a better long term future, not just a better weekend.
I retired from corporate (to continue building my real estate business) when my kids were 5th and 8th graders. My oldest now a senior next year recently asked me to teach him about what I do with real estate so he could do it or possibly take it over one day. He knows real estate is what let me retire early from corporate and he sees the benefit in that.
Letting them see what let you retire early is likely a far more powerful example than letting them see work as a daily grind that just pays the monthly bills.
John H says
Great comments. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Apex and ESI.
JJ says
Apex, I agree with you. My dad worked hard all through my younger years, but quit his job when I was in high school. Working on the line building cars at Ford was hot and stressful, and gave him a minor heart attack. So he switched gears and ended up buying about 20 houses over a few years, which he fixed up, rented, flipped, etc. Although as a teenager I wasn’t interested, he paid me enough to get me interested in helping him fix and paint. It took years before I realized the value of what he was teaching me.
In my late 20s, that seed sprouted, and I started taking real estate courses, and over the rest of my working career I usually had one or two rentals.
So his influence on showing me how to be flexible when adversity hits, and how to make a success out of something with no experience at it, those were invaluable to me.
Also, for those who worry about moving their kids to different areas during their school years, I went to five elementary schools, one Jr High, and two senior high schools. I continued that pattern after I joined the AF, and until I was 45 I had never spent more than 4 years in any one location. I’ve been in one location a long time now because my wife likes it here, but I still get the itch to pull up stakes now and then. I don’t see moving around as bad. It teaches you how to make new friends, and to get out and see the sights before you move on and lose the chance.
Ari says
Thanks ESI for sharing this book review. It has compelled me to take actions. In my early 50s, I have put together financial tracking and retirement planning since 15 years ago, and spend more than 5-hour/year easily in this effort. The action I am taking is to start non-financial retirement planning.
My first draft has 6 categories:
1. Family & Friends, 2. Helping others, 3. Physical and mental health, 4. Improving myself, 5. Travel, 6. Fun rewarded (activities I enjoy and resulting in $).
I am sure I will refine these and there will be overlapping. I am excited to think this through. What do you think about my categories?
ESI says
That looks like a good list!
MI 160 says
These two posts were great and have got me thinking. I have this bug in my ear saying “I’m too young to retire” and all my friends are still working for the most part. My daughter will be a junior in high school next year so you have me thinking now…..
Frank S says
To those that have Not read the book, go read it. It is a great read that you should enjoy.
It was recommended to me 3 months after retirement in 2014 at age 58 when I was spinning my wheels aimlessly with way too much free time. I also wish I had retired many years earlier, the healthcare coverage was the hold back, but has not been an issue at all, just a bit more money. Pickleball 5-6 days a week has clinical software development beat all day long.
It is as much an ‘Retirement idea book’ as a ‘retirement book’, great read.
ESI says
It’s hard to beat that much pickleball! 😉
Peony28 says
I am 43, retired early this year. Accumulated my wealth mostly through career progressions (One can prob say luck in timing each job switch). My kids are 10 and 13 year old. In our Asian culture, early retirement of such is also rare . Daily grind of hard work to pay bills, is what most subscribe to. I am now pursuing few of my personal interests and hobbies . Exploring what new skills I can learn, In short , enjoying life ….
I struggle to explain to my kids how this is possible and I am also reluctant to share details of our financial worth. any suggestions how to manage communications to our children or even elderly parents ?
ESI says
I don’t know the full situation, but here are some things I’d at least consider:
1. The kids are old enough to reason, so you can share with them what you did: you worked hard, earned a good salary, saved a lot of it, and invested to grow it. from there, your financials bloomed to the point where you can quit work (or work less) if you want to. I think they could certainly understand this.
2. As for your parents, I think it’s just an advanced version of the above. Certainly they would be proud of a child who had accomplished so much, right?
Tom says
ESI – re your search for higher order volunteering activities, have you considered teaching? I’m thinking Financial literacy, particularly for underserved communities. I would think this is something you’d be good at – and it’s something there is always demand for.
ESI says
I’ve thought about it, but not sure where to teach. College? High school?
Tom says
I haven’t pursued recently myself, but it looks like jumpstart.org might be a good resource to start with.